The Ominous Bottle has a lot of problems right now.

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I thought the intent of raids is to have a dynamic system where you angered a group of illagers and now they're taking revenge on your home/village. The fact that now you have to drink the bottle to PURPOSEFULLY trigger a raid just doesn't make sense to me. And this change was made to nerf raid farms? You can't always stop players from exploiting a certain mechanic in the game, they are always going to find ways. Don't make this change to ruin the experiences of other players who are just playing the game "normally".

It was the case even before 1.21. i came out of portal to villadge in level -50, so case was the same. i used it to clear debuff without milk. It's not new

Ok yes, logically it doesn’t make sense that the pillagers raid after the player drinks the bottle IN UNIVERSE. But for gameplay purposes, it’s a LOT better than a new player killing the raid captain, going to a village, and getting obliterated because they didn’t know how the game mechanics worked

Theory: the pillegars are always angry but when u drink the bottle its basically bringing unluck cuz its an omen

They definitely would implement bedrock and limit only 1 per raid on village

i feel like replacing the ominous potion with posting up the illager banner in a village would work well

I propose a change that will vastly improve the game. Instead of phantoms spawning normally, we add a phantom raid. Whenever someone breaks the game and has the bad omen effect it will trigger.

Why does Mojang feel the need to make the experience for everyone worse to stop some people from using a very clever and complex system to automate a small part of the game?

Really putting the "we have won but at what cost" to retrospective.

I thought the ominous bottle worked in addition to the normal way of getting bad omen thats no fun :<

Player: "Nah I'd win"

I really like the implications of the ominius bottle as an optional bad luck/hard mode potion though…?
Maybe itd work better as a totem that's cursebound to your inventory can activate all these various difficulty scalings across parts of the game (Village raids, Trial Chambers obv, but also maybe a True Sculk Boss is summoned if you enter a Deep Dark/Ancient City, when fighting the wither it summons w.skele reinforcements, causes Piglins & Zombified Piglins to be naturally hostile to you, spawns Husks and Silverfish inside the Desert Temple to prevent easy looting, etc those are just ideas)
I get that doesnt exactly jive with the narrative idea of the raids being a direct response to you killing an Illager captain, but arguably it doesnt make too much sense anyways? They should be going after your base then, or ambush you at once, not just attack whatever village you happen to wander through next…

Hear me out, instead of drinking a bottle, you should get the raid omen effect by burning the Ominous Banner with a flint and steel. The smoke would billow into the air, alerting your location to the Pillagers while also angering them for disrespecting their flag, thus prompting an attack.
The raid omen effect is still tied to killing a raid captain, and it gives a use to Ominous Banners besides being a trophy. It does everything the ominous bottle does but better while also actually making sense in-universe.

bedrock has color fire work not java (cant craft)

The ominous bottles are a nice QoL feature that I'm actually pretty stoked for because, as seen in the trial chambers, they have potential for cool challenges in other places. Admittedly, I like getting to choose when I take on these challenges and not suddenly getting burdened by them because I don't happen to be carrying the correct set of items needed to avoid them properly.

Even if it seems a little silly lore-wise (I don't think it does, but I won't get into it) they're a generally positive change.

So why wasn't this possible before?

they should give the raiders ability to ride phantoms

my raid didnt start at a village with 15 villaggers but it startet at my camp with 1 villager, so weird

Solution to the bug, remove this feature

Okay guys I know it's confusing but effects name is 'bad omen'. Its like bad luck or something. Its so bad that bottle just shatters, first village you enter gets raided and all trial spawners you face become more aggressive. Before 1.21 killing pillager captain and raids were linked but they are not anymore. Raid doesn't happen because of you killing pillager captain. You could get that bad omen from vaults or something too. They changed how it works entirely and I'm sure they left it still dropping from pillager captain just to not make old players confused from how to get it

chat hear me out on this alright,
hot take, I think the ominous bottle is a good thing
yeah, thematically and logically it makes absolutely no sense, don't get me wrong
but for how people play with raids there are like 3 camp
tries to never get a raid at all (me)
abuses the crap out of the mechanic to farm tons of loot basically for free
plays the raid normally (Idk they like fighting vex spam or sth)
I am going to bullshit and say that the former 2 groups are alot more common than the latter, so the change would really mostly to deal with the abusing and makes it more convienient for those who do not want to trigger a raid

Implimentation bugs and abnormal logic aside (I mean, when has minecraft really had 100% accurate logic anyways), it is a good change

I think the ominous effect is a good idea, making it so new things can happen in various places, and I think bottles should be found in trial chambers as is, since it makes more sense there, but it doesn't make sense for Pillager Raid Captains to not just give the effect to you

Does anybody know if the developers acknowledged boats sometimes not placing and disappearing on bedrock? It’s like every other boat I place I lose

Waiting for this in survival 😂